Things that aren't doing the thing(strangestloop.io)
72 points bydownboots5 hours ago |17 comments
andy9910 minutes ago
I see this as a kind of inspiration / perspiration thing, and I’m on Tesla’s side that you perspire less if you think more. I like to not do the thing for a really long time, and then do it quickly, having thought it through. I see some people that jump into things without thinking, and take what is imo the more difficult route, with worse results.

I know there are some things you need to start to really understand what’s going on, but as much as possible I’d rather mull over things a lot and gather information and clarify my thinking before doing the thing.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt41 minutes ago
Right but I see this taken too far. Getting side eyed for creating a Jira ticket not doing it now. Dude, I am creating a Jira ticket because I have 100 things to do and need to actual priorise this! If I do stuff in the order of serendipity I will definitely be inefficient.
saulpw34 minutes ago
In the Viable System Model[0], "doing the thing" is System 1. Yes of course you need System 1 or the thing won't get done.

But in any viable system, you also have the "meta-systems", Systems 2-5:

- System 2: coordination between multiple Systems 1 (which includes prioritization, communication, and exceptional conditions)

- System 3: resource allocation and process development

- System 4: strategy and risk management

- System 5: values and holistic organizational design

As a human, you are also striving to be a viable system. You can't only just "do the thing", you have to:

- prioritize which thing to do

- take notes and keep records to communicate between past and future versions of yourself

- make sure you have the requisite resources for doing the thing

- construct your environment and processes for long-term success (habits not motivation)

- consider what happens when the thing is done and how it fits into your larger strategy

- keep your head and heart connected to make sure you're doing the right thing

None of these things are doing the thing! But they're also rather essential for getting the right things done well.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viable_system_model

jstummbillig31 minutes ago
Certainly, but don't get confused: You are not doing the thing, until you do the thing.

There are many ways to do the thing. There are many more ways to not do the thing.

mhdi_kr9920 minutes ago
writing this reply on hackernews is not "doing the thing" bro.
saulpw11 minutes ago
You have no idea what my thing is and whether or not I'm doing it via this post on HN.
croisillon2 minutes ago
i'm pretty sure there is a "oh no!" comics (https://webcomicname.com/) saying the same but i couldn't find it
thomascountz1 hour ago
I'm inspired by this and want to extend it, perhaps telescopically, by discussing what the thing is.

Sometimes we see our task as being, "do C," and we forget the "B" and "A" that come before.

Maybe you can't do "C" without discussing it ("B") or researching how others did it ("A"). In these cases, we shouldn't simply think the thing is "C"—the thing must first be "A," then "B," and then, "C."

If we forget this, we're bound to think "C" is the only thing of value, that it should take an hour and not a week, or that people doing the "A's" or "B's" to enable the "Cs" must be doing nothing at all!

acestus51 hour ago
You pay a doctor for a consultation. saying you paid the doctor for medical school and for the legacy of doctors that came before him is.... wrong.
valiant5551 minutes ago
It's not wrong, that's exactly what I'm paying them for. If they didn't have the education then they wouldn't be a doctor, and I wouldn't be seeing them for a consultation.

I'm well compensated not because I'm good at googling things, but because I have a proven track record of being good at googling things. If a junior was able to produce the same results they wouldnt be paid more.

thomascountz39 minutes ago
If you pay a doctor, the thing you're doing is paying a doctor. Your "A" or "B" might be booking the appointment or figuring out how to send the payment. I'm not sure I follow.
hinkley51 minutes ago
$5 for adjusting the screw. $495 for knowing which screw to adjust.
idiotsecant42 minutes ago
If paying for medical school is not what youre doing why not just do your doctors appointment at Burger King?
cadamsdotcom1 hour ago
I wonder what thing the author was avoiding when they published this thing ;)
jader20126 minutes ago
Maybe his thing was “write an article about things that aren’t doing the thing”. :)
hanslovsky35 minutes ago
yep hev forgot to add "riding this blog post" to the list
nagisa1 hour ago
If you have no idea how to do the thing, isn't reading about how others did the thing doing the thing?
rtpg1 hour ago
This hints at the antithesis to this article

Doing a thing involves doing it, but it's very unlikely that doing a thing will involve exactly one atomic movement. So you have cutpoints at doing the thing.

So to do the thing you first have to decide to do the thing. You have to decide what the thing is, or at least have enough of a vision of the thing to take the first step at doing a thing that might look like the thing.

So "doing the thing" involves a lot of doing things that aren't the thing, but without which you won't get towards the thing.

In other words: sitting down and writing down what the thing is _can very well_ be part of doing the thing.

There's a sort of philosophical point too, about whether the thing is what you think it is. Plenty of people have had the "I thought this feature was going to do X, you thought it was going to do Y, and we all realised the mismatch very late in the process".

I think both visions of the world are valid, and things you can keep in your mind at the same time to deploy as needed.

ahazred8ta59 minutes ago
"Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be entreated not to hit the nail at all." -- Nietzsche
manmal1 hour ago
No, you’ll still need to do it.
nrhrjrjrjtntbt40 minutes ago
Yes just do it without knowing how to do it! That always works out well.
jader20125 minutes ago
But learning about, while possibly a prerequisite, still isn’t getting it done.

The point is: don’t stop at learning how to do the thing.

Actually do the thing.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt21 minutes ago
So skip medical school and grab a scalpel and cut out brain tumours?
jader20120 minutes ago
I don’t believe I ever said “don’t learn how to do the thing”.

But many learn how to do the thing, and still never do it.

johnfn1 hour ago
Marketing is absolutely doing the thing; ignore this to your peril. I don't think reality is quite as binary as this post suggests.
bix61 hour ago
But that would be doing the thing after you’ve done the thing no?
pointlessone1 hour ago
That depends. If OP’s job is marketing then doing it before is doing the thing even if it pisses off the people who’ll have to do the thing OP made up.
johnfn58 minutes ago
I think you really want to be marketing concurrently with doing the thing. Saving it all for the end is probably a mistake. And a lot of projects don't have defined "end"s, like open source projects, or websites.
pac027 minutes ago
Writing about what things aren't doing the thing is not doing the thing.
mjd1 hour ago
LinkedIn is over there.
afandian1 hour ago
One day, when I get enough spare time, I will make the thing. I even have some components ready.

Until then I daydream of how I will make it and how it will fit together.

If I never get round to it then that time will have been wasted. But if I do, all that daydreaming will have been useful mental prototyping.

But was it «doing the thing»?

onionisafruit1 hour ago
Having a meeting about doing the thing isn’t doing the thing
gentooflux1 hour ago
Writing a thing about things that aren't doing the thing isn't doing the thing unless the thing happens to be writing a thing about things that aren't doing the thing
behnamoh1 hour ago
Writing a comment about a thing that talks about things that aren't doing the thing isn't doing the thing unless the thing happens to be writing a comment about a thing that talks about things that aren't doing the thing
nrhrjrjrjtntbt36 minutes ago
Writing a Python program to write N deep nested sentences on how writing a comment about a comment about a .... (N times) comment is not doing the thing is not doing the thing.
brettgriffin1 hour ago
This gives very strong War of Art (Pressfield) vibes.

As simple as it is, just remembering this is enough to make me go do the thing.

And on that note, back to the thing.

Scarblac14 minutes ago
Didn't that roughly end with "dying of cancer isn't doing the thing"?

I distinctly recall it becoming a bit extreme in the last chapter(s).

bix61 hour ago
makeitdouble1 hour ago
And now we have a whole post about not doing the thing, which is also not doing the thing.
mcdonje1 hour ago
-Nike