staplung2 hours ago
Very cool, thanks for putting this up.

Couple of observations:

- the page size drop down doesn't display any units (e.g. "6 x 9"). I assume there're all in inches but it would be a little more helpful if it said so and/or included a common name (e.g. US Letter) if one exists for that size.

- you might want to look into page imposition[1] something that's basically essential for any kind of stitched binding (as opposed to "perfect binding"). Full-blown imposition software is often ridiculously expensive and can have quite a few options so it's definitely both an engineering and UI challenge. In the meantime, Bookbinder JS[2] is a great site that I think runs entirely client side and can transform any PDF.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposition

2: https://momijizukamori.github.io/bookbinder-js/?paperSize=LE...

cbondurant1 hour ago
If imposition was something for this site to add, I'd recommend doing it through LaTeX with the pdfpages package[1]. You generate the pdf normally, then re-lay it out using a second latex file dedicated to just doing the imposition. It's how I've done all of my imposition so far, and its more than powerful enough to do the kind of simple page layout that you would want to do with a home printer.

Maybe more complex layout might be needed if you happened to have a printer that could handle like, A0 size paper, or continuous rolls, which would give more flexibility in terms of the number of ways you could fit your pages onto the stock material. for the hobbyist though? More than good enough.

1: https://ctan.org/pkg/pdfpages?lang=en

bookman101 hour ago
Thanks, I hadn't seen bookbinder.js, that looks really neat. I'll remember that if I get back into sewn binding.

I personally like to use standard A4/letter size paper and print one page per side and do perfect binding. Printing two A5 pages on A4 was my original approach, but then the grain direction is wrong for standard computer paper and the pages come out too stiff.

I think the quality is good enough for me, but I definitely understand the appeal of sewn binding.

storystarling2 hours ago
Nice work! We create personalized children's books - parents share their idea and photos, and AI brings their custom story to life with their child as the protagonist. We do hybrid fulfillment depending on the country. The PDF formatting challenges you mentioned are very real!
m-hodges3 hours ago
I recently got into watching YouTube bookbinding as a way to fall asleep at night. Then I found a local book and stationary studio for hobbyists to learn as a community. It’s not something I have time for right now, but it’s the kind of hobby I’d love to try one day.
bookman103 hours ago
It's a really neat hobby. It's great for gifts, especially if you take the high quality artistic approach. I like to do simple "perfect binding" because it saves money (materials are probably around a penny per page), gets me the book faster than buying it, and makes all my books consistent in font, size, and cover style.
ramses01 hour ago
How do you handle printing? I've got a color laser (that I'll generally run B&W), but it seems like "pigment inkjet" is actually the correct choice for the paper+ink combo.

What's your experience / recommendation?

My technical workflow (for personal books) is `Makefile` + `frontmatter.tex` + `chapter-*.md` + `endmatter.tex` and some unholy abomination of pandoc or whatever that'll stitch it all together and some other software to run imposition, etc.

I'll (at some point) take a look at what you're doing, but it's a really neat hobby- I've been doing 1-2 books at a time (~50-100 pages) w/ kettle stitching and hard-cover (with ribbons of course!).

...looking through your recommendations, but don't see mention of pigment-based ink/printers or short-grain paper (ChurchPaper was where I got some of mine from). Is the ET-8550 "the one" that you've found? Having something "large format" for printing is tempting, but it'd probably be better to outsource at $1-5/page compared to a more compact printer. What about drying out or long-term storage of inkjet / print heads?

re: the Guillotine, I've been tempted by seeing some hydraulic manual cutters, but it seems like big space investment... how have you experienced it? They're saying 400 pages (a whole ream?) on the one you've linked but that seems like a stretch.

Thanks, and be on the lookout for an email / pdf!

bookman1050 minutes ago
My understanding is that ink tank printers can be cheaper per page, but lasers can be faster and possibly more durable. I think professional machines tend to be laser printers. I haven't had a problem with the heads drying out but I try to use my printers at least weekly.

I like the Epson ink tank printers and have been happy with them. I usually use cheap generic ink. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there are better options though.

I mostly do perfect bound books so I can use normal printer paper, center the pages, and it will be in the correct grain direction. Otherwise you'll have to order through dedicated specialty paper suppliers and also might need a larger format printer. In a pinch, you can ignore grain direction but the end result definitely isn't as good. Once I run out of my current cover paper, I'll probably order coated on 1 side short grain paper from some specialty paper supplier.

I also use a one sided laminator on the cover which makes the cover much more durable.

I think the manual cutter works well enough for me. It does work at 400 pages with some muscle. Upgrading to a programmable cutter would be the next step for me, but it would only be needed if you're making 5+ books a day.

I use a manual perfect binder like this: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/A4-Size-Wireless-Desk...

It gives better results than thermal binding, but it's probably not worth the investment for most people.

I also like velobinding for short things.

zozbot23428 minutes ago
You could print smaller booklets in half-page format and use stapled or sewn binding, for a more durable and higher-quality result. This could be done without needing a larger-format printer. This might be especially appropriate for shorter text such as individual articles, and was often the historical practice with e.g. octavo books which were quite popular back in the day.
4ndr3vv2 hours ago
> materials are probably around a penny per page

plus the cost of toner and paper?

bookman101 hour ago
That would be including paper and toner, although it can be more.

For example, I can buy 5,000 sheets of printer paper for around $50. You use both sides so that would be half a cent per page.

I use an ink tank printer and you can get maybe a quart of ink for around $15.

It wouldn't include wear and tear on the printer, which is harder to quantify.

I also like to use cream colored paper instead of white which adds another half cent per page for perfect binding. Glue for the spine is a penny.

The cover itself might be around 20 cents of paper and 5 cents of ink.

SubmarineClub1 hour ago
Any YT channel recommendations?
oneseven1 hour ago
> Note this page includes affiliate links. [Amazon will earn less money if you use these links]

Ha ha. I never thought of that as a selling point for affiliate links. I suppose Amazon will make less money if people print their own books as well.

soupymcsoup2 hours ago
This is very cool. I've played around with bookbinding years ago and this site might just bring me back.
bookman102 hours ago
Thanks, I'll definitely feel proud if I see someone else actually make one of these books.
poulpy1232 hours ago
Nice work ! I started to look into bookbinding a few months ago. Is your pipeline open source ?
bookman102 hours ago
Not yet and it's a little messy now to be honest.

The pipeline itself is in node.js and uses mostly pdf-lib (https://pdf-lib.js.org/) and ebook-convert (https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/generated/en/ebook-convert....)

For epubs, I split the book into chapters and run ebook-convert on each chapter individually, adding an extra page if needed to make the number of pages even. Then I combine all the chapters and do a custom scheme for numbering (because you don't want numbers on blank pages, you want the numbering to start at chapter 1, etc)

For html books from Project Gutenberg for example, I make sure they have text in <p> and chapters in <h2>. Then do a similar logic with ebook-convert.

For pdf books, I just use pdf-lib to draw the pages directly.

I also shift odd pages to the right and even pages to the left so there is a larger inner margin than outer margin.

If you're looking to do custom books, I would just use ebook-convert by itself, it just won't be quite as pretty though because it lacks those improvements.

poulpy1232 hours ago
Thanks for the explanation!