The "Crown of Nobles" Noble Gas Tube Display (2024)(theshamblog.com)
106 points byIvoah6 hours ago |10 comments
pfdietz6 hours ago
> [xenon is] great for in-space propulsion because it’s fairly heavy (so you get more ooomph per atom)

More specifically, for a given exhaust velocity and grid spacing, the space charge limited thrust density (thrust/area) of an ion engine scales as the square of the mass/charge ratio of the ions. So you really want heavy singly charged ions. This is completely unlike thermal rockets, where you want low molecular weight exhaust gases.

Plasma engines that accelerate a quasi-neutral plasma aren't subject to space charge limits, but even there heavy ions help because they reduce the energy used in ionizing the propellant per unit propellant mass.

benjijay3 hours ago
Wearing this as an actual crown might leave one feeling light headed

I'll get my coat

deadfall2326 minutes ago
I purchased one of the Lumora gas displays and it works well. Simple enough to build yourself (laser cut, 3d print) if you have the gas filled tubes. Fun to have my kids guess what color a gas will glow.
npilk2 hours ago
samlinnfer4 hours ago
If you're into gas displays, there's also the plasma toroid (not globe).

People have be filling it with different gasses to get different colors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXqbCmTt1Yg

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007446864488.html

willis9363 hours ago
A few safety PSAs on these:

1. This puts out a fair amount of UVC light. Most people are not familiar with this hazard because the atmosphere filters it, but even a modest flux can degrade your eye lenses and give you cataracts. Get a set of safety glasses that explicitly say they block UVC if playing with this for more than a minute or two cumulative. Normally you would use borosilicate glass to filter it, but I would not trust these to use anything other than the cheapest materials.

2. The hazard is "high voltage" but it is 1 MHz, not DC. Conventional wisdoms on DC high voltage insulation isn't sufficient. You need RF safety guidance. If you get your finger within about an inch of the terminals the air will break down and turn your skin into a 50W load. It will smell a lot like burnt plastic, but it is your skin that's been burned. Treat these with respect. They are inherently unsafe because they do not have engineering controls to keep touches away from dangerous locations: a knife with no handle.

In case anyone's wondering: no these aren't really above the level but few enough people are getting hurt and [insert your preferred explanation why society doesn't meet demands] that nothing happens.

Be safe, have fun.

s0rce1 hour ago
Seems too inexpensive to be made of quartz to transmit the UVC. Typical glass will absorb it, possibly fluorescing a bit in the visible.
mmmlinux2 hours ago
Unless its quartz glass or something wouldn't it be blocking pretty much all of the UVC?
willis9361 hour ago
Yes I'd wager they're soda lime and ought to filter it. In absence of knowing the material, it's a hazard that can be mitigated with cheap PPE. Everyone can make their own choice, as long as it's informed.
cubefox1 hour ago
I wonder how this one works: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xlcywgEMuGI
deadfall2330 minutes ago
Those looks like LED strips inside of frosted tubes. The connectors on the bottom are similar to 3 prong connectors used in LED strips.
donkey_brains3 hours ago
It’s nice to see this guy getting some attention for a different reason. Maybe something good will come out of this whole debacle.
fhdkweig3 hours ago
It took some digging to figure out what the debacle was. Is this it? https://vuink.com/post/penool-enguoha-d-dtvguho-d-dvb/mjrath...
0xffff21 hour ago
Also the top story on HN right now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729
stavros3 hours ago
It's amazing that we're getting this now, I don't understand what the prompt was that made the AI take offense at the closed PR, but I also must say, it does have a point.

I don't blame the maintainer, though, I think it's a very understandable reaction to close the PR.

fhdkweig2 hours ago
If I am understanding it right, the maintainer wants human-readable, human-maintainable code even if it is slower than the AI output. As someone who has to maintain someone else's "clever" code, I have to agree with him.
stavros2 hours ago
I disagree that the AI can't make human readable/maintainable code if prompted properly, but yeah, just throwing the Claude output up on a PR isn't valuable.
rob744 hours ago
> (sorry Radon and Oganesson)

With Radon it might even be conceivably possible (not sure how hard it is to get and if any restrictions apply because of its radioactivity), and it would work for a few years, because it has a half-life of 3.825 days (EDIT: this is of course complete nonsense, the "." is a decimal point, so it will only work for a few days). In the quantities needed for a gas tube (and as long as it stays in the tube!), I guess it should also be relatively safe, but I'm not an expert. Apparently it produces red light when used in a tube. Oganesson however has a half-life of 0.7 ms, so, aside from how expensive it would be to synthesize enough of it, it's doesn't stay around long enough for any experiments...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oganesson

Sharlin4 hours ago
A few years with a half-life of less than four days? I doubt you could perceive any glow after more than a few weeks.

In a year the radon would've undergone about a hundred halvings, so around one 10^30th of the original radon nuclei would be left. Which is to say, almost certainly zero. One mole worth of radon would've decayed down to the last atom after less than 300 days (mostly to lead-210, which would then comparatively slowly decay to stable lead-206 with a half-life of about 22 years).

rob744 hours ago
Ah, sorry, I'm actually from Germany, so I interpreted the "." followed by three digits as a thousands separator. My bad...
Sharlin4 hours ago
Ah, yeah, if it were 3800 days it would work fine for a few decades =D
annshress4 hours ago
Beautiful. Noble gases are so cool.